tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post998667863326671091..comments2009-06-07T02:43:21.643+02:00Mr. Ananda ∴ μ α ω λhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08475458208032807484noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-56637777120809452562009-06-07T02:43:21.643+02:002009-06-07T02:43:21.643+02:00This is wonderful.The Selfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14012923886278477659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-13241553870697310682008-12-10T23:40:00.000+01:002008-12-10T23:40:00.000+01:00The whole of the "whence a bliss equal" will be addressed elaborately in a section of the first essay of the upcoming GeeVees series. I need to move my ass and get some writing done.Anandahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08475458208032807484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-73016894585609396292008-12-10T20:17:00.000+01:002008-12-10T20:17:00.000+01:00Sri Krishna said:<BR/>p.s. When in doubt, chant<BR/><BR/>HARE KRISHNA, HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA, HARE HARE<BR/><BR/>HARE RAMA, HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA, HARE HARE!<BR/><BR/><BR/>hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare<BR/>hare rama hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hareAnilrainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-83990661385177758342008-12-10T20:13:00.000+01:002008-12-10T20:13:00.000+01:00Nir said:<BR/>So, Ananda Baba, what "religious practice" do you know of that brings paralleled or superior bliss to chanting the names of Krishna? <BR/><BR/>No answer so far. <BR/><BR/>Pranayama is good with yoga, good for meditation, good for the body, good for the mind, and that all helps with good chanting.Pitambar Dasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-6564410049484947962008-12-09T12:58:00.000+01:002008-12-09T12:58:00.000+01:00p.s. When in doubt, chant<BR/><BR/>HARE KRISHNA, HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA, HARE HARE<BR/><BR/>HARE RAMA, HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA, HARE HARE!Sri Krishnahttp://www.harekrishna.finoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-32602825433621421402008-12-08T08:21:00.000+01:002008-12-08T08:21:00.000+01:00Big K here again, dropping by via my transcendental PC connected to your worldly so-called "inter-net".<BR/><BR/>Why do you refer to chanting as "shadow-feelings", I wonder? (Although I should know, being the supreme being and all that)<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/>The Blue GuySri Krishnanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-17169702020564053752008-12-07T00:37:00.000+01:002008-12-07T00:37:00.000+01:00Ananda said:<BR/>"Chanting Hare Krishna is a doable religious practice that can grant certain levels of ecstasy arising from a concentrated mind and shadow-feelings of divine love, but it isn't unparalleled, not at all."<BR/><BR/>end quote<BR/><BR/>So, Ananda Baba, what "religious practice" do you know of that brings paralleled or superior bliss to chanting the names of Krishna?<BR/><BR/>Krishna himself recommends pranyama in the Gita, but the Gaudiya gurus say it is not practical in this age.<BR/>Ancient sages attained self-realization through pranayana, but they also had lifespans of 10,000 years.<BR/>So, without having 10,000 years to practice pranayama, what do you recommend as being as effective as chanting the transcendental names of the Supreme Entity?Nirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-70118585321087927142008-12-06T23:48:00.000+01:002008-12-06T23:48:00.000+01:00Interesting that Advaita, shampooed and conditioned as he is himself, does not hesitate in throwing his two cents on matters he clearly isn't prepared to opine on. Materially AND spiritually, m'fraid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-10884931176364992502008-12-06T16:54:00.000+01:002008-12-06T16:54:00.000+01:00<I>Apparently, Ananda is a rare exception of someone who chanted Hare Krishna and become miserable. Most people who chant Hare Krishna experience some tangible pleasure from it. Ananda obviously did not and that is just very weird to me. </I><BR/><BR/>I have never said having become miserable of it. Chanting Hare Krishna is a doable religious practice that can grant certain levels of ecstasy arising from a concentrated mind and shadow-feelings of divine love, but it isn't unparalleled, not at all.Anandahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08475458208032807484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-88468403213610765572008-12-06T10:51:00.000+01:002008-12-06T10:51:00.000+01:00Actually I went through a similar rejection, reevaluation of the GV-ideas/society as Baba did.<BR/><BR/>I really do understand his allergy. It becomes stronger if you yourself were part of it in an active and convincing way. He is an insider, like I was. Only he travels in the open and I prefer to travel in anonimity.<BR/><BR/>His points of rejection are valid and inside the tradition there are no answers and very few places where you can discuss this openly without being looked at as a weirdo... a weirdo is someone who doesn't go along with the mainstream fundies.<BR/><BR/>I still believe in God and I like the idea of a dancing God of Love. That is appealing to me. But for the rest I don't know.<BR/>And as for chanting... I have never tasted anything, no trance, no bliss, no love, no relation, no revelation.... nothing but a dry mouth.<BR/>I was told it is anarthas and aparadhas, and for those anarthas to be removed I need to chant more, but then again namaparadha leads to hell. So I thought it was better to stop.<BR/><BR/>I do enjoy kirtan though. Totally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-14369880058172296472008-12-06T04:20:00.000+01:002008-12-06T04:20:00.000+01:00He thought it was a sort of training course, an educational course, that after a suitable amount of book learning theory and practice, that he would become qualified. He created a persona, convincing the community that he was an advanced devotee. Even thinking that he deserved more individual attention from guru because he was more advanced, more qualified than the humble, meek ones. <BR/><BR/>Apparently, he never really did have any real taste for the holy name, never did develop a relationship with Krishna. Interesting, that, because some of us know that Krishna reciprocates accordingly. <BR/><BR/>He (and one or two other bloggers) put so much emphasis on shastra, and the discussion of shastra and the acaryas' books, and became so attached to it, and so attached to ritual. It seems they never quite realized what "Give up all manner of religion and just worship me?" means. <BR/><BR/>If ever anyone ended up illustrating the validity of Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswat's position on raganuga bhakti and siddha pranali, and his opinion of babajis, this one did. Ironical. <BR/><BR/>Where's the love?Pitambar dasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-78805993508997234212008-12-06T02:48:00.000+01:002008-12-06T02:48:00.000+01:00Srila Prabhupada said "chant Hare Krishna and be happy".<BR/>Is it a crime to say that I chanted Hare Krishna and it made me happy?<BR/><BR/>Prabhupada said chant and be happy.<BR/>I am having trouble accepting that anyone who chants Hare Krishna will not realize some tangible bliss in chanting Hare Krishna.<BR/><BR/>What are we chanting for?<BR/>To be miserable?<BR/><BR/>Apparently, Ananda is a rare exception of someone who chanted Hare Krishna and become miserable.<BR/><BR/>Most people who chant Hare Krishna experience some tangible pleasure from it.<BR/><BR/>Ananda obviously did not and that is just very weird to me.Nirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-85713338867329004312008-12-06T02:11:00.000+01:002008-12-06T02:11:00.000+01:00What the Goswamis said about themselves and what those who know better said about them are two different things. If you pay attention to what the followers of the Goswamis said about them then you will know that they were surfing the Pipeline of the Ocean of Nectar.<BR/>I am just body surfing on some little waves.<BR/>The Goswamis were hanging TEN on the tsunami waves of the ocean of nectar.<BR/><BR/>Anyone that thinks the Goswamis weren't drowning in an ocean of nectar is just seriously misguided.Nirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-12356043338687964582008-12-06T01:48:00.000+01:002008-12-06T01:48:00.000+01:00To Nir: WOW!!! Congrats! Not even the Goswamis have tasted what you seem to have. They were lamenting and crying to get a drop of nectar someday or in some life even...... <BR/><BR/>I am amazed how well you write though seemingly you are in full trance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-46276515319912747672008-12-06T01:36:00.000+01:002008-12-06T01:36:00.000+01:00It's obvious that Ananda Baba never tasted the nectar, felt the bliss or realized the truths of the Gita or Bhagavat. Considering that, who can blame him for turning away and seeking something else?<BR/><BR/>I would be a liar if I said I could relate with him. I can't. I have tasted the nectar, felt the bliss and realized practically the harsh but stark truths of the Gita and the Bhagavat.<BR/><BR/>Krishna consciousness is a tangible transcendence that can be experienced by the faithful, simple and sincere. I would be a liar if I said I have not experienced the wonderful effects of chanting the Maha-mantra.<BR/>I have and I do on a daily basis.<BR/>The effects of chanting the Maha-mantra are simply amazing. It is the greatest satisfaction of my life and I am addicted like a junkie is addicted to heroin.<BR/><BR/>Nectar is the most addictive of all addictive substances. Once you taste a particle of a drop you will never want anything else.<BR/><BR/>I am truly amazed and very sorry that Ananda has never experienced the bliss and nectar of the Holy Name of Krishna.<BR/><BR/>Gopala Krishna is the love of my life. There is no one as beautiful and attractive as him.<BR/><BR/>I would be a liar if I said otherwise.Nirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-70560653362188707302008-12-05T18:47:00.000+01:002008-12-05T18:47:00.000+01:00<I>Sri Krishna said... Greetings from the always-sunny Goloka!</I><BR/><BR/>How do you do, Krishna. We now also process blessings with credit card and direct bank transfer in amounts under $100, please seize the opportunity and be a good god-head.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Q1) Ananda, what would it take to make you my worshipper again?</I><BR/><BR/>A seven digit figure in hard currency and a signed contract outlining special priviledges, renewable on a five-year basis, quarterly five digit blessings enclosed in a "Thanks for worshiping" card. <BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Q2) Do you feel those years spent chanting the maha-mantra have assisted you in any way?</I><BR/><BR/>I hate to break the news, Mr. Sincere Godhead, but you ain't the only god with a name in town. Of course chanting for you was cool, but has since been taken over by other engagements better matching my carefully designed profile.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Thanks for stopping by, and we appreciate blessings anytime.Anandahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08475458208032807484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-48145650509414404822008-12-05T18:38:00.000+01:002008-12-05T18:38:00.000+01:00Nir: <I>"So, Ananda, what impels you to frequent blogs composed by a Hare Krishna fanatic and then make commentary and critique?"</I><BR/><BR/>The GeeVee episode took a fair decade plus of my adult life. As such, I still find myself contrasting values and beliefs of the past with my current understanding, and as I process my history, I prefer to recontextualize and reinterpret rather than discard.<BR/><BR/>The issues themselves are universal enough. The kind of rhetoric you see in some of the fundie GV blogs is no different from Bible-thumpers all world round. I use the GV context to illustrate the dynamics of a common principle for two reasons:<BR/><BR/>1. It has a richer, or at least a more elaborate basis in its canon and offers many venues for re-interpretation.<BR/><BR/>2. It is a context both I and much of my audience is quite familiar with. Those unfamiliar will take it for one fundie movement among others, and look for the universals in the text.<BR/><BR/>I have made no contracts on cutting all ties with GV or any such — I merely choose to not be an active orthodox believer in the GV doctrine.<BR/><BR/>Nothing rises in vacuum, GV included. I have taken quite a bit of time to research and understand its roots and their potentials, whether it be in the tantra, the advaita, the sahajiya or the sufi domain. In discussing the aspects that carry meaning to me, I feel no need to meticulously avoid mention of GV.Anandahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08475458208032807484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-68187276925096280862008-12-05T13:11:00.000+01:002008-12-05T13:11:00.000+01:00Greetings from the always-sunny Goloka! Just dropping by for some rather transcendental commentary before resuming my flute- and lila-related activities. I have but two questions.<BR/><BR/>Q1) Ananda, what would it take to make you my worshipper again?<BR/><BR/>Q2) Do you feel those years spent chanting the maha-mantra have assisted you in any way?<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/>Your GodheadSri Krishnanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-56371126044973729682008-12-05T12:53:00.000+01:002008-12-05T12:53:00.000+01:00I stopped mingling in religious debates, because I have turned out to become completely obnoxious. <BR/><BR/>I can't control myself when I hear someone talk about something with an absolute certainty on the basis of something that is by no means certain.<BR/>I have turned into a Richard Dawkins/ Christopher Hitchens-style person. I started to appreciate scientific research with all its limits more and more, because it is so much more honest then people just stating things.<BR/><BR/>Love, equality, purity and fun are meaningfull to me, but not in the way religionists are using it.<BR/><BR/>I like your example of not being able to take someone's advice if that person is not backed up by scripture, a parampara or is not a vegetarian.<BR/>On youtube there is a movie of Ravindra Svarupa (I think) telling someone to only start a debate with him when following the four regulative principles.<BR/>That means not having played with your weener for a substantial amount of time and not having eaten grains once every two weeks.<BR/>That makes debating stuff tough though, impossible even, since most of us play with our weeners. It means we are excluded from any meaningfull debate and anything we might have to say is.... not listened to.<BR/><BR/>The pure have decided who is impure... the others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-15517782639772254132008-12-05T11:03:00.000+01:002008-12-05T11:03:00.000+01:00I have not given up on Krishna Consciousness, but I am in agreement with this post.<BR/><BR/>We should think for ourselves and not accept the authority of old books blindly. The risks of people aligning themselves with 'armies of the pure' is ofcourse that killing, exterminating or demonizing the impure is like weeding your garden, cuttting down the tall trees, the final solution, dehumanization.<BR/><BR/>Fundamentalism is never innocent, but is the seed of disaster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-57293971583803315442008-12-05T02:12:00.000+01:002008-12-05T02:12:00.000+01:00Anonymous said:<BR/>"What are you trying to prove anyway".<BR/><BR/>Well, I never felt I was trying to prove anything. I am just foolin' around on the internet having a little fun and making a little joke now and then.<BR/><BR/>I am not out to prove anything on this blog. I am just voicing some observations and seeing what happens.<BR/><BR/>The question Mr. ANONYMOUS is really WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE?<BR/>Does somebody have to be trying to prove something when he writes a comment on somebody's blog?Nirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-28675136253105744122008-12-04T23:30:00.000+01:002008-12-04T23:30:00.000+01:00to Nir: "Does negativity ever really produce positive substance?" again ask that yourself....what are you trying to prove anyway?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-63302823057343227502008-12-04T11:34:00.000+01:002008-12-04T11:34:00.000+01:00To Anonymous:<BR/>I am on a mission from God. I was sent to this planet by the Supreme Being Yickdlop to spread the good news of Salvation through a process called "self-lubrication" and I am trying to make Ananda Baba my first disciple.<BR/>I hope that clears up any confusion.Nirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-12112603520420929372008-12-04T07:53:00.000+01:002008-12-04T07:53:00.000+01:00to Nir: then why are you here? You are asking him a question that you should ask yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-249993179895229468.post-76514087228759958072008-12-04T03:32:00.000+01:002008-12-04T03:32:00.000+01:00Nice posting. Do you know about this edition of the Gita?<BR/><BR/>http://www.YogaVidya.com/gita.htmlBrianhttp://www.yogavidya.com/noreply@blogger.com